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Ubuntu’s Mark Shuttleworth apologizes for Tea Party remark and fixubuntu take-down notice

In an encouraging and refreshing move, Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of Ubuntu and Canonical has apologized for calling Mir opponents the “open source tea party”.

Shuttleworth wrote in a blog post:

On another, more personal note, I made a mistake myself when I used the label “open source tea party” to refer to the vocal non-technical critics of work that Canonical does. That was unnecessary and quite possibly equally offensive to members of the real Tea Party (hi there!) and the people with vocal non-technical criticism of work that Canonical does (hello there!).

For the record, technical critique of open source software is part of what makes open source software so good. It is welcome and appreciated very much at Canonical; getting reviews and feedback and suggestions for improvement from smart people who care is part of why we enjoy writing open source software. There isn’t anything in what I said to suggest that I don’t welcome such technical feedback, but some assumed I was rejecting all feedback including technical commentary. I was not – I was talking about criticism of software which does not centre on the software itself, but rather on some combination of the motivations of the people who wrote it, or the particular free  software license under which it is published, or the policies of the company, or the nationality of the company behind it. Unless critique is focused on improving the software in question it is pretty much a waste of the time of the people who are trying to improve the software in question. That waste of time is what I had in mind with the comment; nevertheless, it was a thoughtless use of an irrelevant label. Please accept my apologies if you have been a vocal non-technical critic of Canonical’s software and felt offended by the label.

He also apologized for the take down notice that was sent to EFF staffer Micah F Lee over fixubuntu website.

He said,

Last week, someone at Canonical made a mistake in sending the wrong response to a trademark issue out of the range of responses we usually take. That has been addressed, and steps are being taken to reduce the likelihood of a future repeat.

He further added:

Within hours of the publication of a response to our letter, the CEO, COO and legal team reviewed the decision, corrected the action and addressed the matter publicly. I apologised the moment I was made aware of the incident. And I’m reassured that the team in question is taking steps in training and process to minimise the risk of a recurrence.

The damage to Ubuntu

That unprecedented move from Canonical (to sent take down notice) had put Canonical in the league of Apple.

All leading news sites criticized Canonical for this move and it turned out to be the worst PR disaster for Canonical.

The company has been taking quite some missteps lately which earned it a lot of negative press, whether it was Mir vs Wayland fight (where wrong info about Wayland was posted) or Canonical vs Intel fight (where Intel was bashed for reverting Mir patch), or Mark himself labeling the larger open source community as the Tea Party of Open Source.

It was about time that the senior leadership of the project stepped up to address some issues.

It’s commendable that Mark addressed the issue.

Core issue remains

However, the core issue still remains – the holy grail of all this criticism of Canonical is privacy invading feature and Mark has given no indication of making that feature opt-in.

There must be some very heavy incentive for Canonical that it’s willing to risk it’s image and privacy of users in the age of NSA and GCHQ spying by not disabling by default.

I personally feel that Canonical must revert its Dash Search policy and start working towards protecting its users instead of creating features which pose serious privacy risks.

I am quite certain that a huge complaint against Canonical will die the moment Canonical makes Dash Search opt-in.

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What are your thoughts about it?

Swapnil Bhartiya

A free software fund-a-mental-ist and Charles Bukowski fan, Swapnil also writes fiction and tries to find cracks in the paper armours of proprietary companies. Swapnil has been covering Linux and Free Software/Open Source since 2005.

106 Comments

  1. O please, he is only apologizing because he was pressured into it to save face, the whole thing is a PR stunt. one apology does not account for what seems to be a dark road they are heading down, Ubuntu is quickly becoming “the microsoft” of Linux …

    • True

    • …no matter how I look at it I don’t see how change could happen without an apologie first. Mark has been pretty honest with us so far (to his own undoing) I can’t imagine him to be saying anything but the truth in regards to the email, he wouldn’t be in charge of trademark emails it escalated to him he sees the error and apologizes. As for the tea party comment he only apologizes for his terminology not his original statement so he still sounds pretty honest to me. As I said in the beginning this would still be the first step towards change we don’t have to crucify him for an apology.

    • I think he owes an apology to the scapegoat that sent the wrong template.

  2. “I am quite certain that a huge complaint against Canonical will die the moment Canonical makes Dash Search opt-in.”

    This option (opt-in) should be available during/after installation. Just like it is for Ubuntu One online account.

  3. Canonical worked hard to make smart scopes work they are also a key function to the mobile operating systems. I can’t imagine them being tucked away any time soon they would be hiding a significant investment. We will probably see the opt out option move into the dash. I think this would be good enough.

    • I think the Dash is no place for an option like this. Settings for the Dash should be adjustable through System Settings.

      • Ok…
        I don’t have a problem with its current location either.

    • The shitstorm will not end with an opt-in feature how fundamentalist Richard Stallman published in a video. Read more details here:
      http://ubuntube.com/ubuntu-blog/arrogance-in-the-free-software-community/

      • Sorry I meant to personalize that statement as does the author of your article when he says “I disagree with Richard Stallman that an opt-out feature won’t be helpful to resolve the conflict” (beginning last paragraph). I understand there will still be people who don’t share this opinion. Though It would deter the momentum of this “shitstorm” and heal some of Canonical’s wounded reputation I believe.

  4. Shuttleworth checklist
    1. Feign surprise at uproar.
    2. Apologize for casting aspersions on actual members of US Tea Party protesters
    3.Blame new guy
    4. Affirm the wisdom of Canonical tradmark policies
    5. Divide Ubuntu users who voice complaints about distro or Canonical into technical and non-technical camps.
    6. Disparage non-technical users who feel strongly enough about issues to complain.
    7. Craft careful, final-sentence non-apology.
    8. Work on budget for Mars trip.

    • Ok I did enjoy the humor in your post it was set up well. But I feel like I have to defend mark for his apology on the trademark, Mark wouldn’t have been involved in the decision to send that unprofessional email. Mark’s apology is just to show that Canonical took the users complaint as high as they could. The blaming the new guy is a common courtesy to give the person who messed up an excuse and so Canonical can save face for not firing the guy. I respect this even if Marks answer is poor.

  5. I had a really interesting conversation with Michael Hall and Alan Bell last night that quelled my concerns about Amazon search. I still think the right move is opt-in, but the way they have changed their code (though I haven’t reviewed to confirm, I’m relying on trust) satisfies any concerns I had. The method they are using to proxy requests to and from Amazon (including images) does indeed seem to mitigate any risk of Amazon identifying the user via the search query.

    As for Mark, he’s not really a business savvy person and you can tell whenever he talks or blogs. He does a good deal of damage to the Canonical / Ubuntu brand whenever he gets up on his pedestal and starts preaching. In this case, blaming the new guy is classic spin. The new employee didn’t fail, he’s just the scape goat. Canonical failed.

    • In the age of NSA/GCHQ do you really ‘trust’ anyone? No. No one has issues with Amazon knowing or not knowing anything, the problem is NOT with Amazon. The problem is Canonical knows it. If Canonical knows is so will NSA/GCHQ and anyone else. No one is talking about 3rd parties not getting access to it, the problem is Canonical has that data. They should not by default. The best trust in the age of NSA/GCHQ is by Canonical do what people want – make it opt-in.

      One may also assume Canonical already is contacted by NSA and nasty GCHQ and they are supplying them with data and that’s the reason despite so much opposition they are not changing it.

      • If you send a packet out on the wire in any way, the NSA probably already knows about it. Remember they went in multiple directions to ensure they could collect from all angles, look at the Google / Facebook interception uncovered recently. I’m reasonably certain that they (NSA) collect data from all of the various providers also. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone in the near future discovers that the firmware in out PCs, laptops, and routers have all been compromised.

        I haven’t read the Amazon lens code personally, but I do trust Alan and Michael as they haven’t given me any reason not too.

        That said though, Canonical absolutely shouldn’t collect and aggregate that data it should forward and forget. From the conversation I had, that appears to be what they are doing. We can’t see their backend, so I can only trust that they weren’t lying when they said they weren’t. If Mark said that, I’d question it – I don’t trust Mark as far as I could throw him.

        • I don’t send packets about my local files. Online activity is different from my offline activity. There is a ‘reason’ why I don’t put certain data on cloud because anything that hits the internet can be intercepted unless I am using something like Kolab for communication.

          What Canonical is doing is finding ways to track my local data. How? They have made Dash the only gateway to access your data. They have made Dash the Address Bar of a browser – the only way to find your data. Now if I have files on Edward Snowden offline so no one knows what I have. The moment I search for it in Dash Canonical will know I have something on my hard drive.

          THAT’S DANGEROUS.

          I don’t really care about what Google/Facebook do as they are already online activities and pretty much everyone knows what you do online is monitored. Local data was our only protection and Canonical is invading that space too.

          I don’t trust what developers of a company say when I can’t trust my own president.

          Do you think if there is gag order Canonical employees with tell you the truth? Since Canonical is based out of UK and GCHQ is ugly there is no protection or trust. AND Canonical servers are in US – via Amazon so both agencies have full access to Canonical data.

          I don’t know or want to know if they are lying because in todays time it’s fullish to take somone’s words – whether its Keith Alexander, Obama or Canonical emplyees.

          What if I presume Canonical has actually agreed to provide access to GCHQ and NSA and that’s why they are refusing to make it opt-in? Can you prove me wrong?

          • Fair enough, and no I can’t prove you wrong. I’m just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt based on information they have shared. You know that I am one of their most vocal critics, I don’t do it lightly. :)

          • Keith Alexander also shared a lot of info with the congress…Obama also shared a lot of info on not spying on German Chancelor. Did we give them benefit of doubts?:-)

          • “They have made Dash the only gateway to access your data.”

            huh. They have made it a fairly rubbish way to launch applications on your local computer, but it is some distance from being the only gateway to access your data. Personally I think they should rip the application launching function out of the dash, and rename/repurpose the dash so it is more clearly an aggregated multilocation search tool. They should then add a function to the launcher for running local applications. The whole tinfoil hat thing is all jolly interesting, but in reality throwing partial word searches randomly out to the internet does not give search providers good data on you. It is junk. I am totally cool with billions of searches for “ecli” “writ”, “gim” and “inksca” going direct to the NSA and GCHQ, I would be fascinated to see what evil they make from it – because I can’t figure it out.

          • Everyone I knew was opening everything through dash. They don’t know any other way to open files. Dash has made it easy – it’s like the address bar of the browser. Even when I was using Ubuntu till Amazon search happened I was using Dash to open everything.

            I just don’t get why are they not making it opt-in during installation or after first boot. Once someone deliberately opts-in no one cares what Canonical does then. Like when I put a file on Gdrive or Dropbox I very well know it can go in anyone’s hands (thus I don’t use these services other than sharing content), but here I made a decision to put it there, but I won’t want iCloud to be syncing everything by default.

            So, I think and that’s what everyone else is saying just make it opt-in and it will end once and forever.

            Something like this :-)

            http://www.muktware.com/2013/04/ubuntu-13-04-will-disable-dash-online-search-by-default-mark-shuttleworth/4189

            I will personally re-start recommending Ubuntu if they do it.

          • you dont know why they do it?
            cmon, we all know.
            opt-out means that if people dont know about or arent technical enough to “fix ubuntu” it will stay the way it is.

            and that number of people will always be higher than an opt-in where someone has to say “Say, why dont i turn off this feature that searches MY searches on My computer?” before sharing their HD searches.

            Im sure there are usability studies which tell you exactly the numbers between opt-in and opt-out. and THAT number is the reason they do this. i doubt highly that no one at Canonical understands the implications or the difference between both, but THAT number makes all the hassle they receive legitimately over privacy worth it.

            i have a coworker who discovered live cds about 2yrs ago and while hes average technically he doesnt really visit linux ites like this. when he told me that he installed ubuntu recently, proudly might i add, i told him if he “fixed ubuntu”. i explained it to him and he laughed because he was sure i was kidding. his face dropped when he realized that iwasnt.
            he didnt even bother opting out but instead deleted ubuntu simply because he didnt trust them. thats how much it disturbed him.

            i know exactly why optin and not opt out, its about retention.
            which i guess means more money for them.

        • They are not forgetting and forwarding. The privacy policy clearly states that they store the data. Who would you trust – their written privacy policy or some developers?

          • Maybe someone from Canonical can weigh in on that, as it’s a very good point.

    • I imagine after all Marks financial success he is probably good on the business end. He is just poor at managing the community He has good ideas but has a hard time managing communitys that disagree with him.

      • “I imagine after all Marks financial success he is probably good on the business end.”

        He’s had exactly one success. The Thawte Verisign purchase. He had a really good idea, and during the .com boom when many people were making quick cash, he made a lot of cash quickly.

        “He is just poor at managing the community He has good ideas but has a hard time managing communitys that disagree with him.”

        That’s a huge problem, he shouldn’t be “managing the community”, he’s building a product for the community and needs the community to support it’s growth. In order to do that the product needs to meet the needs of the community. RedHat has been extremely successful in this regard, and Canonical hasn’t (in my opinion) because they are trying to make their own rules.

        • From his website it says he graduated from the University of Cape Town with a degree in  finance and information technology I figure that counts for something.

          Your right though managing the community is a big problem I agree. He is still a crucial figure to ubuntu which has had allot of success in its own right.

          • “From his website it says he graduated from the University of Cape Town with a degree in finance and information technology I figure that counts for something.”

            This doesn’t imply success though, only that he’s met a certain level of educational requirements.

            “Your right though managing the community is a big problem I agree. He is still a crucial figure to ubuntu which has had allot of success in its own right.”

            Ubuntu hasn’t been successful, they even had to give bug #1 away to another product because it was beyond their reach after many years of trying.

          • Ok we will have to agree to disagree to me self made 500million dollars net worth and a degree in finance is a good indicator of a good business man.
            Your evaluation of Ubuntu’s success seems a little harsh by their own definition and goals they have had some fall outs but in comparison to any other distribution Ubuntu has has an undeniable amount of successe. It may not have the financial success of red hat but it seems to have a bigger community and comparable brand recognition.
            You seem to have a personal bone to pick with mark that I am not going to satisfy. And I don’t think you belive ubuntu is a failure your to smart for that, ubuntu is one of the biggest if not the biggest linux desktop out there.

          • “Ok we will have to agree to disagree to me self made 500million dollars net worth and a degree in finance is a good indicator of a good business man. ”

            It’s a good indicator of being in the right place at the right time. A good business man would have turned that $500M into billions.

            “Your evaluation of Ubuntu’s success seems a little harsh by their own definition and goals they have had some fall outs but in comparison to any other distribution Ubuntu has has an undeniable amount of successe.”

            It isn’t successful, almost 10 years and they are still in the red. If you want to compare a project that was injected millions of dollars to projects that haven’t been, ok they were kind of successful.

            “It may not have the financial success of red hat but it seems to have a bigger community and comparable brand recognition.”

            It doesn’t have a bigger community. It does have brand recognition though.

            “You seem to have a personal bone to pick with mark that I am not going to satisfy.”

            I simply don’t trust him, that’s not a “personal bone to pick”.

            “And I don’t think you belive ubuntu is a failure your to smart for that, ubuntu is one of the biggest if not the biggest linux desktop out there.”

            Ubuntu for all intents and purposes is a money pit and little more. It is only the biggest desktop out there because it came out of the gate with passion, and vision – two properties that have been long forgotten by the project’s leadership.

          • You agree that is the biggest Linux desktop but you disagree that it has a bigger community than red hat? Your statement indicates that Red hat is both bigger and smaller at the same time?

          • “You agree that is the biggest Linux desktop but you disagree that it has a bigger community than red hat?”

            Yes, absolutely. First I should have said was only and not is only because it’s shrinking fast. It might still have a large number of users, but in terms of community it pales in comparison to RedHat. Number of installs does not a community make.

            “Your statement indicates that Red hat is both bigger and smaller at the same time?”

            RedHat may not have the number of “desktop” installs (Fedora vs Ubuntu), but it is significantly larger in terms of community.

          • Ok thanks for clarifying now how does more users not translate into any sort of success? Do users not represent any value? Even on the server Ubuntu has a massive amount of success … Though most of this does not translate directly into cash (small amount on the server side) It does hold value. Feel free to disagree

        • I think Ubuntu is a success… Don’t you?

          • I don’t. They failed to close bug #1, they failed to reach profitability, and they have failed to reach most all of the goals they set. They still exist out of Mark’s pocket as they failed to become cash positive.

            They have a distribution that no longer meets the goals of the masses, and they are bleeding users like crazy to other distributions.

            They had an opportunity for success and they squandered it.

  6. Awww, its ok Mark! Forgive and forget I always say… BUT, I’m still not using Ubutnu because, well, it still sucks! OpenSUSE is much better, more mature, and isn’t trying to change the landscape with crazy software ideals!

    Word of advice – You want to get back on top??? Ditch Mir, Unity, and embrace open source as it already exists… Want to make Gnome 3, KDE, Xorg better so you can use it where you need to? Start providing patches and feedback to the said organizations – oh, and start contributing to other projects as well… Say… The kernel perhaps?

    Have a nice day!

  7. That fixubuntu.com website was in fact abusing from the Canonical’s trademarks and logos . Every company is totally entitled to defend their trademarks, that’s a right people enjoy too.

    MS is apologizing for sending the “toughest” template, nothing more. He is not apologizing about the request itself (why should he?)

    • “That fixubuntu.com website was in fact abusing from the Canonical’s trademarks and logos . Every company is totally entitled to defend their trademarks, that’s a right people enjoy too.

      MS is apologizing for sending the “toughest” template, nothing more. He is not apologizing about the request itself (why should he?)”

      If you’d try practicing a little reading comprehension, you’d notice that Mark actually said they aren’t in violation in his “apology”.

      • No, he is saying that Canonical is more friendly in this regard that most companies and jurisdictions . That’s all. If they decide to not enforce their own copyrights and to protect their own trademarks , that would be another problem.

        He is also criticizing websites likes this one for being sensationalists. With that i agree.

        • No, what he actually said was that it was a mistake. Let me make it clear using his own words:

          “It was a mistake, and there is no question that the various people in the line of responsibility know and agree that it was a mistake.” – Mark Shuttleworth

          “In this case, the wrong action was taken” – Mark Shuttleworth

          • Read again , but this time with context .He is saying that the mistake was sending the wrong template “it was a mistake….”. Do not let your own brain fool you more that twice.

          • I don’t need to read it again, in the same article he states matter of factly that Canonical supports “sucks sites”:

            “In this case Canonical has a trademark policy that enables community members to use the marks (good) and allows for satire and sucks sites even in jurisdictions where the local law does not (great!).” – Mark Shuttleworth

            So blinded by your love for Ubuntu that you can’t see the truth when it’s right in front of you and the man himself is telling you they were wrong. That’s the problem with fanboys, they can’t see the forest for the trees.

          • The Intellectual property policy of Canonical clearly states:
            “You can use the Trademarks in discussion, commentary, criticism or parody, provided that you do not imply endorsement by Canonical.”

            MS is simply explaining that that have friendly stance regarding the use of their Trademarks. That does not means that Canonical gave up there rights on their own trademarks, they should not to begin with . MS is not regretting that neither, so go and read again .

          • Fix Ubuntu implies it is unofficial, but like I just said, you are a waste of time.

          • No, that is not how it works. And yes, you are wasting your time.

          • Because anonymous fanboys obviously know more than lawyers… #facepalm

          • DO YOU have any other response other that invoking your mind masters?

          • 100% an Ubuntu fan myself but both parties have been very clear the email was in the wrong see fixubuntu’s contact page https://micahflee.com/ (well supported explanation here) and Canonicals thread http://blog.canonical.com/2013/11/08/trademarks-community-and-criticism/ (complete acknowledgement here). Not to mention Mark’s apology which you have made clear is not satisfactory. I encourage you to draw your own conclusion but they need to be based off of something.

          • M.F Lee agreed to remove the Logo but still insist with his whining. He does not have any good argument at all. In that canonical blog post they are not recognizing of doing wrong, in fact they are just saying that “Our trademark policy is unusually permissive.” What MS is saying is that they regret sending the “wrong template” to fixubuntu to notify the trademark issue, nothing else.

            I am quite clear about what is really going on here. “I am a 100% Ubuntu hater myself”, if that means something for you

          • Read the links provided and come back

          • I did, and that’s what i found. I wonder what are you reading, maybe is your imagination.

        • The best way to silence the press is by calling them sensationalists when they cover wrong-doings. :-) It’s easy to attack the messenger.

          • Is the author of this article making any serious analysis or investigative work on the claims from both sides ? For instance , how valid is the “nominative fair use” doctrine as a argument for fixubuntu.com in this case? How exactly is canonical effectively attacking the free speech rights of the owner of fixubuntu.com? Is there any background on trademark and copyright issues? Is Canonical entitled to ask for what is asking for?

            Instead we have:

            Personal opinions:

            “I personally feel that Canonical…”

            Strawmen arguments and guilty by association claims plus tangential issues:

            “in the age of NSA and GCHQ spying by not disabling by default.”

            Inaccurate claims and oblivious comparisons :
            “That unprecedented move from Canonical (to sent take down notice) had put Canonical in the league of Apple.”

            You have to explain what a “take down notice really” is, because canonical is not asking the website to be taken down for copyright issues. And what Apple have to do with this? Is Apple the EVIL too? Is Canonical the only company that protects its trademarks? Is that evil too?

            Etc, etc, etc

            *Sense*-ational !

            Besides, it does not matter how much someone calls the media ‘sensationalist’ , the media can still say whatever it wants. Obviously some people loves that! So do not try play to the victim . The media should accept valid criticism too.

          • You have to explain what a “take down notice really” is, because
            canonical is not asking the website to be taken down for copyright
            issues. And what Apple have to do with this? Is Apple the EVIL too? Is
            Canonical the only company that protects its trademarks? Is that evil
            too?

            –> asking someone to remove the name ubuntu from domain means only thing. Take that website down.

            Comparison with Apple because Apple is one of those companies which abuses its trademark and even go after coffee shops in Germany with name apple in their name.

          • ” asking someone to remove the name ubuntu from domain means only thing. Take that website down.”

            Nope, do you know what a domain name is?

            “Comparison with Apple because Apple is one of those companies which abuses its trademark and even go after coffee shops in Germany with name apple in their name.”

            You are comparing a coffee shop with a website ,… really? i read a little bit about that case, Apple vs Coffee shop, and you won’t believe why i found! But that is another story for another fairy tale

    • EFF had made it clear the site had all the rights to do so. Please read EFF’ Attorney’s statement. Canonical should know they sent a C&D to the organization which is fighting governments for our freedom. It’s shameful.

      • No, that website did not pass the “nominative fair use” doctrine they are invoking. The EFF is obviously biased and supporting one of their members. But they know they have no legal leg to stand on

        The fixubuntu.com website was using the ubuntu logo as a banner in the front-page and favicon with no other purpose than identifying itself, with no disclaimer whatsoever, with no clear hints of parody or critique . And the name “fix ubuntu” could be interpreted as a click bait or trademark stuffing. etc.

        The new website is even much more critical against canonical than before and that clearly demonstrates that there are no free speech issues here.

        Finally, companies have the **right** to protect their trademarks and copyrights too. No mistakes here

        • “It was a mistake, and there is no question that the various people in the line of responsibility know and agree that it was a mistake.” – Mark Shuttleworth

          “In this case, the wrong action was taken” – Mark Shuttleworth

          You are obviously not an attorney (the persons who created the site were) so stop being an apologist and accept the reality of the situation.

          • ” the less-than-a-month-at-Canonical new guy sent out the *toughest template*….It was a mistake, ” It does not matters how much you edit the information, the original source is quite clear. And for being the “toughest template”, that email was very polite and friendly indeed. So it seems to be true that Canonical is rather friendly.

            And the EFF is just being biased, that’s what lawyers do all the time. Do not be naive. They know they do not have any legal basis and that they have very little chances to win any serious legal argument besides simply rhetorics .That’s why they limit their actions to just create noise and mere political controversy.

            The “nominative fair use ” they are invoking do not applies here, is that simple. And I already explained why . So if you have any good argument to support their point , besides your casual “appeal to authority” argument , please be my guess, i want to hear it

          • Being a F/LOSS advocate and specially an FSF/EFF defender I have to totally agree with you on this one, the use they were doing of Ubuntu’s logos were totally abusive and unfair. But Canonical should have sent a friendlier note marking that instead the stupid statement they did.

            As for the apologize itself *I* feel it’s more a contingency move because the loud voices raised all thorough the F/LOSS than a real heartfelt apology – I’m not saying it was that way, that’s my _personal_ feeling about the whole story.

          • I haven’t edited anything, I quoted it verbatim. You can’t convince an apologist fanboy with facts though so I won’t waste any more of my time on you. Maybe English isn’t your first language…

          • I quoted verbatim too and also correctly interpreted the message with the proper context . English is not my first language but i definitely have better reading comprehension and critical skills than most of you, and that’s ironic.

    • By any chance are you a paralegal?

      • I am not, so do not waste your time asking me for that kind of services .

  8. And he obviously dismissed the voice of *tech* people saying Canonicals decisions are hurting the community.

  9. This is all
    http://www.sharpley.org.uk/blog/ubuntu-search

    • Robert, unfortunately many people will ignore your post. Unfortunately we are plagued in the Linux community in an increased manner by people who have nothing positive to contribute, trying to act like the self-proclaimed guardians of the FOSS movement but produce finally nothing else than negativity.

      • Curiously, what sort of contributions have you made?

        • I think he is reffering to negativity in general people who are all over the problem’s but don’t see any solutions hengels has mentioned previously that he works on a site called ubuntube.com I’ve read some snippets its pretty negative but it does point out the good and the bad not just one.

          • All I found at the end of that link was nerd rage. LOL

          • I didn’t say I liked it but the guy is obviously an indeindependent thinker not just bashing things because he supports something else or disagreeing over something for a blind Ubuntu love like Angelsatan.

          • “I didn’t say I liked it but the guy is obviously an indeindependent thinker not just bashing things because he supports something else or disagreeing over something for a blind Ubuntu love like Angelsatan.”

            That’s a very fair point. As I scrolled through, I found the open letter to Mark which was pretty well thought out.

          • Thanks!

      • Tell that to Mark, who has been leeching Linux and instead of helping Linux is just creating another MacOSX clone. Mark doesn’t contribute to Linux he only invests in Ubuntu and he is going to repeat the history of Lindoxs, Xandros and all such failed distros who tried to do their own things. I doubt you know that much Linux history. Please check. Canonical’s contribution to Linux and Open Source is close to zero. They have contributed ONLY to Ubuntu which is now alien to open source world.

        • And please don’t get me wrong, I am with one who has facts but there are many retarded Ubuntu fans who don’t know facts or history and just keep behaving like iSheeps. Please look at past and you tell me when was the last time open source world attacked Ubuntu. Instead it’s Mark Shuttlewoth or Jono Bacon who are calling names or attacking other projects. Mir pissed on Wayland (which also shows that Mir developers are incompetent as they did not even know X12 aka Wayland). Ubuntu pissed on Banshee by claiming 80% cut from sales whereas Banshee was giving that money as donation. They pissed on Red Hat, they pissed on Gnome, they pissed on Intel, they pissed on KDE and then they pissed on everyone by calling us Tea Party. Now please tell me who is attacking who? Do you think sites like these must not expose the wrong doings of Canonical just because it has huge fan base to come and beat these guys up. I am happy that there are sites like these who are showing how bad Canonical has become. Canonical needs to stop dividing and destroying the open source world. Sadly, they won’t listen and they are doomed to die. Sooner, the better. We don’t need another Xandros.

          I also appreciate your passion for Linux. But please focus on bigger goals – Linux and not just one selfish leech Ubuntu…

          • You should get out some.

          • and hopefully get some in the process

  10. Mark Shuttleworth, honestly, has my dream life. He flies to outerspace, travels around a private jet, and runs an open source company. I don’t know why he can’t just go with the flow and make Ubuntu the most popular OS in the world instead of scaring people off. He seems like he would be such a cool guy in real life, but every blog post he writes makes himself look so bad.

  11. “Last week, someone at Canonical made a mistake in sending the wrong
    response to a trademark issue out of the range of responses we usually
    take”

    Whenever I am in a public restroom and someone knocks on the stall I always say someone is in here I never use my real name I find that’s too personal when your sitting on the toilet.

  12. This statement is BS: “That unprecedented move from Canonical (to sent take down notice) had put Canonical in the league of Apple.”
    All major open source project have a brand policy and serious restrictions (check e.g. WordPress and Joomla). NOTHING of what Canonical is doing is different. But when WordPress or Joomla are shutting down websites which they haven’t authorized I never see a comparable shitstorm.
    Especially in the FOSS world the trademark (brand) is an important asset and crucial for re-financing the project. Therfore it is understandable that FOSS projects are keen to keep their brands “clean”.
    It is irresponsible journalism to join blindly the Canonical shitstorm and to create a connection between the intent to protect the Ubuntu brand and a reaction against criticism of the shopping lens etc. There is NO indication for such a connection and therefore responsible authors should not contribute further to the popular but highly irrational Canonical progroms.

    • Show be two examples of WordPress and Drupal sending C&D letters to the ‘suck sites’ which had WP or Drupal in domain name or used their logo. There is no Canonical shitstorm. Canonical has been shitting on every one else lately – they started off with showing naked woman as promotion material, then they shitted on openSUSE when they signed Microsoft deal, then they shitted on Banshee by claiming 70% (or more) cut from sales, then they shitted on Gnome, then they shitted on FSF, then they shitted on KDE, then Wayland, then Intel and then SystemD and then the whole open source community by calling them Tea Party and now they took a piss on EFF and were slapped hard on the face…Marky was forced to apologize as 1. EFF attorney made it clear that Mr Flee has all the rights to run the site the way he was running. 2. There was so much criticism. If Canonical can’t even respect two more respected organizations -FSF and EFF – they are no better than a proprietary company. Looking at Canonical’s attack on open source and bitching about every open source company says they are here to divide it.

      So, go back and tell Canonical to stop shitting on everyone else, instead of blaiming others for raising voice.

      As far as author comparing them to Apple is concerned it’s not the first time – the way Canonical uses Linux (and keep a distance by not even calling Ubuntu Linux), the way it is building its own garden – Mir, Unity, Ubuntu 1 and crap…it’s imitating Apple. The straw on camel’s back was this letter something Apple does all the time.

      I am 100% sure it was Marky who got the letter sent to EFF, and now playing dumb by saying it was some new guy. Marky has been insulting the open source community for ages and since he was pissed with EFF’s stand on privacy that dumb-ass, without knowing the law, wanted to teach a lesson to Lee.

      So, that’s an Apple move. Now, try posting 10 heavily critical article on Ubuntu and we will see how long your site will exist. Why will Canonical have problem with you or which are doing free PR for them? Got that? It’s dumb to think Apple will shut down CultofMac site which is doing PR for Apple.

      • MarkySharky, your statement “I am 100% sure it was Marky who got the letter sent to EFF…” speaks for itself (so far my assumption that you are speaking here about Mark Shuttleworth) and for the point which I wanted to make in my previous post.

        Such one-dimensional accusations aren’t helpful at all and are demonstrating clearly into which unpleasant defamatory direction some parts of the Linux community are drifting. How much frustrated you must be for expressing so much hatred? What harm Canonical did to you?

        “In dubio pro reo” should be applied to everybody if there is no factual proof for an allegation. Disrespecting that basic principle leads to Guantanamo Bay and to countless other examples where a suspicion was considered as already sufficient for a judgement. Welcome in the land of prejudice and injustice…

        • Not really WordPress allows to have subdomain with wordpress in the top level domain. They allow WP for any purpose Canonical doesn’t allow any thing with buntu. It’s not about that as a LAWYER HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT LEE LEGALLY HAS ALL THE RIGHTS TO USE THE DOMAIN NAME. so your arguement is baseless. It’s the LAW that he can use the domain name. Marky’s team doesn’t even know that much law. Shame on them. It was hard slap on the face and he apologized and instead of accepting mistake blamed it on some new guy, which is am sure is a lie, to avoid it. He did that before when on Ubuntu home page Windows was trashed and he blamed it on some low-level person. It’s a private firm and nothing happens without Marky’s permission. So, please removed the blinders and see the truth. Canonical has lost the trust.

          • LinuxRetards, please be factual when you are creating posts. Your statement is factually wrong. The proof is that I am running ubuntube.com. One year ago I created some example pages and requested the permission from Canonical to use this domain name. In the opposite to my negative experiences with other FOSS projects Canonical granted the permission quickly and welcomed my initiative to run an Ubuntu related website.

          • What’s not factual here. Care to cite?

      • “they started off with showing naked woman as promotion material, then… t… BS… BS … even more BS”

        Yeap, you must be a member of the linux tea party

  13. OMG, this website is full of javascript spyware!!!

    • Fucking retards. Do you know the fucking different between online and offline activities. Damn Ubuntu fans are the more illitrate people around. Go use Windows…

      • Uh… a linux tea party member… Hello!

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